During the late 1940s and early 50s, Silas Newton and Leo A. Gebauer traveled through Aztec, attempting to sell devices known in the oil business as "doodlebugs." [8] They claimed that these devices could find oil, gas and gold, and that they could do so because they were based on "alien technology" recovered from the supposed crash of a flying saucer. When J. P. Cahn of the San Francisco Chronicle asked the con-men for a piece of metal from the supposed alien devices, they provided him with a sample that turned out to be ordinary aluminium. [8] In 1949, author Frank Scully published a series of columns in Variety magazine retelling the crash story told to him by Newton and Gebauer. He later expanded these columns to create "Behind the Flying Saucers" in 1950, a best selling book that influenced public perceptions about UFOs. Two years later in 1952 the hoax was exposed in True magazine, [9] with a follow-up article in 1956 presenting other victims of Newton and Gebauer. [10] One of the victims was the millionaire Herman Flader, who pressed charges. The two were convicted of fraud in 1953. [1] [3] Influence on Ufology [ edit ]

Reme: That particular piece has a little carbon type of hairs in it and so if you notice that piece, even though it melts, has a few melts around there.It transfers that heat from one side to the other. And so that prevents meltdown. Paola Harris: That’s probably where they were coming from. How long do you think that experiences lasted when you were standing there doing that?

Reme: Jose and I were looking at the craft through one set of binoculars. We were taking turns. He was looking, but we couldn’t directly look into their eyes, that I can remember, it’s pretty far. I know, but what we felt was this pure sorrow, really felt sorry for them because we could feel their pain. They seemed like us, children. Paola Harris: So the second day basically you waited until the military went away. And you got more pieces, dragged them into the trench, but you didn’t see the beings then. Reme: So they went in and we stood there, sat down and watched them. And they were in there 5 or 10 minutes and came out. They had a change of attitude, a complete change of attitude. They were almost like different people. They had seen something they’d never seen before. They came out and said, okay. Here’s the way it is. I want you guys to listen. This is very difficult. You’re under oath. You don’t tell anybody about this, not your brother, not your cousin, not your mother, not your father, that’s our business. We’ll take care of that. And the reason for this is that you can get in trouble. We want to keep you out of trouble. So we agreed to that and they gave us a really big lecture, and so we took it very serious.

May 1, 2023 • 36 min read On January 13, 2023, the New York Times posed a question in its headline, inspired by specific claims about a purported UFO crash in New Mexico in August 1945. After a three-month investigation, I believe I have the answer, which I have superimposed on the book that promotes the claims. By Douglas Dean Johnson Baca fabricated a fantastically implausible tale (that both Harris and Vallee swallowed and have vigorously promoted) in which Governor Dixy Lee Ray of Washington State, a former member of the Atomic Energy Commission, showed Baca an ultra-secret file about the 1945 UFO crash at San Antonio, New Mexico. In propagating this story, Vallee and Harris implicitly have accused the long-dead scientist-governor of committing multiple federal felonies and risking complete political ruin, as a favor to a political functionary. The story, if true, probably would have also involved the commission of heavy federal felonies by Reme Baca himself, and perhaps by others, including Paola Harris. But don’t worry, no actual crimes were committed--because the secret-file claim itself is completely preposterous (and it would be preposterous even if it did not rest on Baca’s fictional claim to have had a close relationship with Governor Ray). I interviewed two experts about Reme Baca’s “secret file” story and its legal implications in detail in Crash Story File: The “Secret File” of Governor Dixy Lee Ray. Paola Harris: But the creatures were gone and I was wondering, the military must have been there to take them? Paola Harris: You’re the one that actually took that crowbar or whatever you took and pulled that piece off, right?Reme: Normally, I would feel sorry for friends, relatives if something happened to them. I didn’t know these creatures. We were curious. They were strangers, we didn’t know who they were, but we knew they were different. Paola Harris: Hello Jose. I heard that you’d love to do a dig with Reme? You want to do it soon because of the water that erodes the ground. There might be pieces there. Maybe people might be walking around over there.

I do not apologize for the formidable volume of the material linked here. The current elaborate version of the Trinity UFO crash tale has been constructed in layers over the past 20 years. The story has been entertained by some in the mainstream media and by some in the halls of Congress. In the dismantling of this hoax, the devil is indeed in the details. Yes, it was before they were very careful about any of this. And I asked Jose about this. He said that we were really sneaky. He said, “We were hiding.”Cahn, J. P. Cahn (August 1956). "Flying Saucer Swindlers" (PDF). True. Archived from the original (PDF) on June 22, 2023 . Retrieved June 22, 2023.